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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/17/2003 7:13 am  
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  718.1  
 
Did Eve Change God's Word? 

By Herb Evans 


And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat: But of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL: thou shalt not eat of it: for IN THE DAY that THOU EATEST thereof thou shalt surely die. -- Gen. 2:16, 17 


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field  . . . And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may ____ eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT, ________ lest ye die.    --Genesis 3:1,2 


". . . to find Eve guilty of changing and distorting God s words demands that the first sin of the race was not taking of the forbidden fruit (as the Scriptures clearly declare) [???] but the prior altering of God's words. When Eve spoke to the serpent, she as yet had no sin nature. There was no wicked impulse from within, no internal compulsion or motive for distorting the command of God." Doug Kutilek, Aug. 1, 1986 Biblical Evangelist 

It almost goes without saying that the only ones who would be interested in watering down, muddying the water, or covering up all the tampering of God's words in Genesis Chapter three would be other Bible Correctors. The above quote by Professor Muddy Stream Kutilek is an attempt to do just that. 


TAKING FRUIT WAS NOT THE FIRST TRANSGRESSION! 

. . . the woman BEING DECEIVED was in the TRANSGRESSION. . . -- 1 Tim. 2:1 

Neither partaking of the forbidden fruit nor altering God's words was the first transgression. Being deceived was! The devilish order was and is yet: 

1. Eve heard Satan question Gods words. 

2. Eve was deceived by Satan. 

3. Eve was influenced to misquote and correct Gods words by adding and subtracting. 

4. Eve completely disobeyed Gods words. 

5. Eve sought a convert to her sin. 

You will find a similar order of behavior among these  Bible Correcting Professors of our day. 


THE FIRST SIN IS NOT EVEN THE ISSUE! 

. . .as by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned . . . death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similtude of Adam s transgression by one mans offence death reigned by one . . .  -- Romans 5:12, 14, 17 

. . .She took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.  --Genesis 3:6 

We will not bore our readers with academic theology regarding our federal head-Adam. Suffice it to say, for Professor Muddy Stream Kutileks sake, it is what Adam did. . . that counted! And Adam, as well as Eve, did not have nor need a sin nature, wicked impulse, internal compulsion, nor motive to do what they did. Moot point! 


SATANS INFLUENCE 

As with many fundamentalist Bible Correctors today, Eve may not have had a "wicked impulse from within" or an "internal compulsion or motive for distorting the command of God," however, she (and they) certainly had the capability to be deceived and to be influenced by Satans external "Yea, hath God said?" How many neophyte Christians have been rattled by the bold J.W. question, "Do you really believe a loving God would burn His children with literal fire?" (A loving God allows them to rot with cancer!) Yea, hath God said? Often, after such bold questioning, it is an easy matter to get the Christian to water down his own subject and to allow the J.W. to go into the Hebrew and Greek. Parallels, Parallels! Satan deceived Eve and Adam, who were influenced despite their feeble resistance. 


SHE CHANGED IT, BROTHER 

Professor Muddy Stream objects to Bible believers insistence that Eve added to Gods words on the basis of her addition, "neither shall ye TOUCH IT." The good professor realizes that she didnt say the Lord told us but said, "God hath said." So the Professor sifted the Scriptures for quotes that do not have the original statement recorded and for quotes that have been amplified by individuals. He then surmises that Eve was privileged to unrecorded information. The good professor is willing to break even here, for he knows that he cannot prove that she did and no one can prove that she didnt (nor can they prove that she didnt have blue eyes). Anyone that struggles for a stalemate must indeed have a weak case! 

Adding to Gods words was not Eves only problem. She ignored, watered down, avoided, and deleted or subtracted from Gods words. She subtracted the word that infuriates Satan, a word that he hates and will continue to hate, the word "FREELY." God originally said (the originals mind you), "thou mayest FREELY eat." Eve watered down Gods swift retribution by omitting the reference to imminent judgement, "in the day that thou eatest." Eve also omitted the name of the tree, referring only to its location. Perhaps, she was avoiding the weakness which Satan finally used to accomplish her complete disobedience, desiring to make oneself wise. Parallels, Parallels! Hallelujah! Does I have a witness? 

Now our poor professor will have to sift the Scriptures (as wheat go ye and learn what that meaneth) for quotes that omit words from the original statements. Eve misquoted and changed the only record that we have. If others displayed the same human frailty in the record . . . so what! Only someone with an ax to grind could miss the overwhelming evidence; only someone guilty of changing or correcting the words of God himself would display such spiritual ignorance. The good professor despises the applications that Bible believers make from these passages, applications that have more basis than most of the applications that liberal churchmen draw from types, emblems, and figures of Scripture to liberalize us. 

Professor Muddy Stream Kutilek, like many Bible Correctors, is guilty of the same transgression and deception as was Eve. We do not need to accuse her or Adam or Doug of having wicked impulses" or "internal compulsions." They are simply deceived in the transgression! They have allowed themselves to be influenced by the HISS of the serpent, "Yea, hath God said?" 




David A. Brown
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  From:  8320john1   Nov-4 4:47 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 16)  
 
  718.4 in reply to 718.1  
 
Federal Headship is of course a Biblical Doctrine and not to be disdained. 
Eve's sin was clearly the partaking of the forbidden fruit. That she was deceived into believing such an act, after it had been strictly prohibited, was somehow altered by the words of the serpent indicates her capability for delusion and a world apart from the man who was NOT deceived but willing partook of the same fruit to share her fate out of LOVE. 

The question is, out of agape love or simply love of the flesh? Then too, he was still cognizant of the commandment to "be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth," a duty he could not accomplish alone. It may be (theory) that he was not absolutely sure of the future outcome of the restriction other than, "...the day you eat, you shall surely die." Beyond that his intellect may have conceived of a future solution somehow to mitigate the circumstances. 

One thing we are sure of (Bible Believers) is that Adam was NOT fooled by the entreaties of the adversay. And for that reason he went into the transgression with eyes wide shut. Thus, he is the door by which sin and death came into the race of men, representing ALL men as their Federal Head. 

By man came death, by a MAN comes eternal life. 



 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Nov-4 7:16 am  
To:  8320john1   (5 of 16)  
 
  718.5 in reply to 718.4  
 
Hi John,

 

Excellent insight!

 

I think of all the Bible doctrines that I study the fact that Adam was not deceived but ate the fruit [died] out of an act of love for his bride (ala Jesus) is one of the most Amazing doctrines of the Bible.

 

The early interaction among God (Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit), Adam, Eve, and Satan is truly remarkable, the more I study it the more amazed I become.

 

God Bless You,
David



David A. Brown
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-5 12:19 am  
To:  8320john1   (6 of 16)  
 
  718.6 in reply to 718.4  
 
Very true. Eve was deceived (and seduced) by the lust for 
knowledge and power and "the promise" of a [false] 
liberty that only led (and leads) to bondage. 
She was also walking outside of GOD's Headship 
AND Adam's as well. 
Adam was *willfully* in transgression: he feared (and obeyed) 
not GOD, but deferred to his wife [likely out of human love, 
sympathy and attachment], and thus the entire earthy race 
fell under the deception, rebellion and covering of satan. 

Even today, "the whole world lieth under the deception of 
the wicked one." ONLY the Blood covering and the Gospel can 
break the curse and the satanic dominion of sin passed on 
thru Adam. 

Thank GOD for such an awesome, glorious Savior and salvation; 
nothing less was require to redeem all this 
than the precious Blood of the crucified Lamb. 

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I think both you and David would find some very interesting 
and edifying teachings on this area at: 

www.shulamite.com/current_writings.html 

- especially those on the subject of "The Two Trees"/ 
"Towering Trees," "Tree of Delusion," 
and others writings that deal with "the mystery of iniquity." 

Shalom 
and God bless. 

PS/ so you know: Martha Kilpatrick is a gifted teacher 
who is rightly under the covering of both her husband 
and pastor. (!) 


AND THE LORD SAID, 

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* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and

~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: * There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)



>>>>>>>> 







It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! But those who reject Him shall be cast into eternal darkness. - ESPECIALLY those who hypocritically CLAIM to follow Him.
Many, many, M A N Y are those who have betrayed Him and "have a name only..." 






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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Nov-5 4:36 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (7 of 16)  
 
  718.7 in reply to 718.6  
 
>>PS/ so you know: Martha Kilpatrick is a gifted teacher 
who is rightly under the covering of both her husband 
and pastor. (!)<< 
I don't buy into that heresy Len. As I have posted to you in other forums, "I am a hard liner, a real neanderthal, but a clean one, I sweep out my cave once a day without fail," :)- 

No, exegetical, expositional work for Apostolic believers is the labor of the male five fold ministry alone. That is how the apostles were instructed and that is how the apostolic church has been directed. The Charismatic bit about the wife being "under the covering" of her husband and then given the pulpit is just another delusion and errant exegesis. 

"I suffer NOT a woman to teach." -- Apostle Paul (end of story) 

That's it Len. I don't doubt your sincererity but I am not a customer for the female "theological liberation" movement. They are to be in subjection to their husbands, to remain "silent" (rightly exegeted) in the church and are absolutely FORBIDDEN to teach as a result ot the incident in the garden. Eve was deceived, defeated, conquered in her MIND. The man, Adam, willfully disobeyed. A HUGE difference. That very issue colors all that follows. Thus there were no females that led Israel out of captivity under Moses, Aaron and Joshua. Moses' sister thought she could preach and got an object lesson. Only via the intercession of Moses (representive) was she restored. 

No priestess' in the temple/tabernacle worship, no writing prophets (doctrine), no Queens that ruled except evil ones, the righteous and unrighteous were Kings. It is the King of Kings that will bear rule on the Throne of David, not the Queen of Queens. 

None of the 70 were female. None of the inner circle were females. None of the apostles were females...and NONE of the God called five fold ministry today even if there is only five left, truly called of God will be females. 

Paul asserts that "she" is to be under obedience as ALSO SAITH THE LAW. Nothing has changed in that respect, she is still prohibited from the pulpit ministry. She cannot pastor, be an evangelist or an "apostle" or a teacher to the general assembly. It is age lastingly forbidden. 

Her "teaching" is circumscribed in Titus. And it is to go no further than that. 

So, my brother, you as a sincere man of God are wasting your time with me in this respect. I am never going to change my POV regarding this issue simply because I see no out for her in this question because she ruined her chances in the first round with the adversary. She had her day and failed. There is to be no return match, no getting off the canvas and trying again. Once was the knockout punch as far as her contest with the devil. She lost and she will never be able to function as an exegetical minister to the apostolic church. What the apostating groups do such as the Episcopal, etc is their business, it has nothing to do with the called elect. 

Frankly, I view your exhortations on the other forum (you know the one I mean) as needed, tho unheard by most of the females who attack you. ALL of them are unregenerate, presently lost to the world to come and living in abject sin. Unless repentance is granted to them, their fate is eternal destruction from the Presence of the Lord. 

Peace and Blessings, 

 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-5 10:04 pm  
To:  8320john1   (8 of 16)  
 
  718.8 in reply to 718.7  
 
Thanks for your input, John. I will pray further about 
what you shared. I do see your points. - I know much of 
what you say is perfectly valid. 
My sense on this essentially is this: women should *never* 
usurp authority over men [in church, family, or otherwise or 
elsewhere) 
but they *do* have *valid input* that we should give due 
consideration toward. - that would include godly writings and 
teachings. 

but I most certainly agree that men should lead and oversee 
ministry, the family, and government and business. - that that 
"Divine Order" and mandate, on a very wide scale today, 
is generally *not* the case anymore at all (to say the least) 
is a huge blot on most churches, families, and even society 
in general. It has been my observation that 80 to 90% of men, 
(in varying degrees) have been virtually emmasculated by 
satanic infestation (and by feminist/aggressive women), and (equally 
appalling) at least 90% or more of today's women have been 
taken captive [in varying degrees] by the usurping, manipulative, 
rebellious/witchcraft spirit of Jezebel. (!) - it is, I would 
say without hesitation, an absolute spiritual atrocity. - satan's 
MAJOR area of destroying homes, churches, society, and RIGHTEOUS 
authority in every sector of life. ! 

I expose it and stand against it whenever I can and feel the 
leading to do so. 

Thank you again for your input and your kind comments, John. 
I see clearly you are a man of God who deeply respects the 
purity and righteousness of God's Word and ways. 

with all kind regards, 
and respectfully, 

Pastor Len Hummel 
Clearlight Christian Ministries 


AND THE LORD SAID, " Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work. " - Rev.22:12. {HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} 


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* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 * Psalm 35:1-8,22,23 * <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and

~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: * There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. *** Deut.32:31-35. *** 

>>>>>>>> 


** Malachi 3:1-4, + 16-18 **

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** I Corinthians 2:16; 4:3-5 **






It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! But those who reject Him shall be cast into eternal darkness. - ESPECIALLY those who hypocritically CLAIM to follow Him.
Many, many, M A N Y are those who have betrayed Him and "have a name only..." 






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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-8 2:33 am  
To:  8320john1   (9 of 16)  
 
  718.9 in reply to 718.7  
 
JOHN1: 
Frankly, I view your exhortations on the other forum 
(you know the one I mean) as needed, tho unheard by most 
of the females who attack you. 
ALL of them are unregenerate, presently lost to the world to come and living in abject sin. 

Unless repentance is granted to them, 
their fate is eternal destruction 
from the Presence of the Lord. >>>>> 

Peace and Blessings, 

====================== 

>>>>>you could not possibly be more right in this; 
and they have certainly been rightly warned in no uncertain 
terms; but, unfortunately, it seems most of them are beyond 
the point of either hearing OR repentance. 

Whatever. GOD is a righteous Judge, that is for sure. 

btw, I am curious, - are you Reformed Baptist? do you teach 
Bible studies or are you involved in any local ministry? 

I think almost certainly we see eye-to-eye on nearly every 
essential biblical doctrine and truth. 

all the best. 

Len 



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* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 * Psalm 35:1-8,22,23 * <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and

~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: * There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. 

>>>>>>>> 







It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! But those who reject Him shall be cast into eternal darkness. - ESPECIALLY those who hypocritically CLAIM to follow Him.
Many, many, M A N Y are those who have betrayed Him and "have a name only..." 






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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Nov-8 5:02 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (10 of 16)  
 
  718.10 in reply to 718.9  
 
No, I am not reformed Baptist, but a "reforming" Apostolic as one man likes to say. Always in the process of taking theological inventory. 
There is a very large fellowship that considers themselves as "Reformed Theology," such as might stem from men as Warfield, the Hodges, Berkhof, S. Lewis Johnson (one of my favorites and still living, tho probably nearing 90 years old) and many, many others. 

The contemporary crop might include R.C. Sproul, David Wells, and a host of others. Some consider them "Calvinists" but I prefer the term, "Apostolic." I am NOT a Calvinist per se, but agree with SOME of his observations, regarding his work as most valuable tho not infallible. The present day evangelical church is largely Arminian 
in scope and I suppose that might be best in some sense. Most Christians don't have the time to decipher all the theological nuances of the present day arguments. Nor do they need to do so. 

I am not a teacher in a local fellowship. 

Peace and Blessings, 



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-10 12:14 am  
To:  8320john1   (11 of 16)  
 
  718.11 in reply to 718.10  
 
Thanks, John. 
Who would you say are your favorite authors? 

Are you familiar with Dr.Adrian Rogers and 

www.lwf.org 

? 

Do you have any favorite media teachers or preachers? 


* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 * Psalm 35:1-8,22,23 * <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and

~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. 

>>>>>>>> 







==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Nov-10 4:48 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (12 of 16)  
 
  718.12 in reply to 718.11  
 
Yes, I am aware of Adrian Rodgers...a great preacher. I love to hear him preach. In fact, I often use one of his statements, 
"...people talk about when the judgments begin to fall,...they are already falling, God is letting you have your own way." 

Media preachers/teachers??? 

Many, some old, some new. I favor men from "both sides of the aisle." That is, some are dead set against the concept of "free will," others, (like Rodgers) affirms that man has a "free will" and attacks various "reformed" issues. The majority of American evangelicalism is Arminian in scope, the minority are "reformed," or proponents of the Doctrines of Grace. Both views embrace the redeemed. 

The greater company of American evangelists of recent years, say from the 18th century onward have been Arminians. The early evangelists and pastors of early America were strict Calvinists for the most part. BOTH views have given birth to Godly men. 

 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-10 11:53 pm  
To:  8320john1   (13 of 16)  
 
  718.13 in reply to 718.12  
 
I agree. 
and the great mystery of WHY Able's sacrifice was 
accepted and Cain's was rejected;? WHY The LORD loved 
Jacob and hated [depised] Esau is only resolved by 
understanding that GOD ALONE *completely and perfectly* 
knows every heart: 

the WHY and THE MEANING as to what we say and do 

and decide. 

================================================ 

~ I absolutely believe in a limited DEGREE of free 

moral agency; but: GOD ALONE IS THE SOVEREIGN JUDGE 

as to what is said, thought, done, desire and decided. 

---------------------------------------------- 

all the best. 

Len 


* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ CHOICES.

Revelation 22: 10b ... for the time is near. 11 Let the one who is doing wrong continue to do wrong; the one who is vile, continue to be vile; the one who is good, continue to do good; and the one who is holy, continue in holiness. 12 See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds. 

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* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and

~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: * There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. 

>>>>>>>> 


** Malachi 3:1-4, + 16-18 **

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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  IM4GIVN2   Dec-5 10:10 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 16)  
 
  718.14 in reply to 718.1  
 
Good post! I like this forum, think I may stick around, unless I end up getting booted! LOL! I am a truth finder! :) 
Rose
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-6 12:26 am  
To:  IM4GIVN2   (15 of 16)  
 
  718.15 in reply to 718.14  
 
Hi Im4given2,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

Your comments and insights are very much appreciated.

 

I look forward to more of your posting.

 

God Bless you,
David

 



David A. Brown
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   From:  IM4GIVN2   Dec-6 9:21 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 16)  
 
  718.16 in reply to 718.15  
 
Well, thank you for the friendly welcome, and am looking forward to visiting here. :) 
  
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